If I wanted to remove aggression, I'd just shut it off, instead of going through all these hoops to keep it alive. The reality is that suicide ganking is an integral part of the game that I quite like, but every now and then we need to make changes because the current setup doesn't work.

i don't think soundwave was being a bit ridiculous with what he said. however i don't think he really managed to convey what he meant with such a short statement. i feel he's going to have to elaborate on it at some point [hopefully soon]. people seem to be interpreting what they want for it since it's a rather short and unsupported statement.

i'm hoping he means it's broken for the fact that in high sec you're able to ruin some one's day; but it should cost you something. as it stands when a catalyst ganks a hulk they can recover the cost of such a cheap ship from the hulk's wreckage and the ganker hasn't paid a thing to wreck the miner's day.

i think people need to also understand the subtle difference of "i will gain from this gank, no matter what. his wreckage is worth more than my ship" rather than "i will gain from this gank, that moron thinks carrying plex in a shuttle is a good idea".
the key difference is the fact that it's only a profitable venture to gank the shuttle because it has a plex, not because it's a shuttle.

Like Faction Warfare? Like Bounties?

Just because it's in the game doesn't mean it's working as intended, even after a loooooong time.

I can assure you that the stupidity of people is such that in 9 years they indeed never learn a very simply lesson. Fit a damn tank.

Miners have yet to go out of profit. Indeed, right now they are having the biggest boom in EVE history, all while under the gankers "opression".

Also you will have to explain to us why fitting a tank which will stop you from getting killed is irrelevant. Given that being killed is what you are whining about.

The veldnought can be ganked if you bring enough catalysts. However there comes a point where people will not bother to gank something. Fortunatly for miners hulks can reach this level of tank.

Are you complaining that Hulks can possibly be ganked or that they can be profitably ganked?

Nobody's saying that any ship can't possibly be ganked. Hulks can be fit such that they cannot be profitably ganked. If someone wants to throw away money to hurt you, you might want to consider avoiding making such enemies.

This isn't subjective. You can tank a hulk to the point where all but the most bitter will pass it by for easyer, more profitable kills. This is why my haulers and hulks have never died to a gank in 6 years of playing.

When you've been told by a CCP dev that you're wrong and you still belabor the point,

And this can only be done by making a profit on said ganks.

In order to run missions you have to stop ganking. Make a profit on ganking and you can just keep on ganking.

Not even the goons could keep up ganking miners forever at a loss, the funds run out. The burn Jita weekend was great fun but again, that kind of level of killing cannot be sustained at a loss. Go ahead and look at the KBs, you will find just about every single gank victim who died was worth more in loot than the ship that killed him.

This is the very simple fact of ganking, 99% of the time it is done for profit.

If I just want to kill for the fun of killing why would I go for a supertank hulk when I can kill 10 untanked hulks?

Your point has no meanings when you clearly don't want to recognise the initial point: ganking is not intended to be profitable.

All you do is fake propaganda and crocodile tears, point blank, so cry me a river.

Now gank a supertank hulk in 0.7 space with 3 tornados. How many ganks till you run out of isk a day?

This thread and arguments is going beyond any possible reason and it's exactly what makes Eve so sad

My my... 94 pages already? How **** does fly.....

My God, do you seriously believe that the so-called "OTEC" has that much of a hold on everyone? Do you seriously believe that everyone in this game is so credulous, so blinkered, so stupid as to allow themselves to be forced into this as the "only" option -- in an open-world sandbox?

Advice: If you want to convince your audience of something, then it helps not to disrespect their intelligence that blatantly.

My manufacturing/invention character -- as in, building Hulks, among other T II stuff -- would beg to differ, in any case.

(And no, I'm not a shill for them: I despise those fart-bags just as much as you lot seem to, although I suspect my reasons are rather different.)

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See, that's the whole point I've been trying to make:

You carebears always choose to be victims, and then always bleat about how you're somehow entitled to being protected from consequences of same without having to take any steps to protect/help yourselves, which are all easy, readily available to everyone, and far too numerous to list here, even if they hadn't already been being listed for the last 90-odd pages. And in the forums for the last 8-odd years.

But just because you choose to be a victim, doesn't mean everyone else does -- a proper miner would shudder in revulsion at the concept; Yes, there still are some! -- nor yet is everyone else obligated to sacrifice gameplay so you can continue to be safe on your greasy fear-sweat-dripping/stinking pedestal of sanctimonious victim-hood.

EVE is a game about taking your safety, business, and fun into your own hands.

If you can't/won't handle that, then there are plenty of bland, safe, easy MMOs out there, go play them, and quit trying to turn EVE into another one like them. There's a reason so many are going/have gone free-to-play/pay-to-win, if they weren't before.

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Fabrication. Stop.

Personally, I'm quite happy with them... can't wait 'till Wednesday.^^

escpecially since the EULA allows you "griefers" to be griefed.

The entire basis for your argument seems to be that they shouldn't be designing mining in high security around the brainless people.

My question is: Why is this a problem?

Can be. Rarely is it ever worth the effort.